I have a soar throat and I sound like Terezi.
I... I know I let my anger get the best of me, and I did spit on a few others. Sorry if I upset anyone. I know the whole drama needs to be put to rest, and I want it to (and yet I'm talking about it. Hypocritical me... sorry!)
If it's okay, I want to share my entire opinion.
I love N. I love N, and Eneko, and Anime, and Naomi, and I think they're great leaders. They're nice, easy to talk to, and their personalities are totally rad.
Everyone here is totally bombastic! (I'm a newbie and semi-asocial, but I stalk-like pretty much every member here~)
Going back to the whole "joke" thing. Sure, it was upsetting to some people.
And sure, N has that sense of humor.
And yeah, no one is perfect.
Either way, it still hurt people.
BUT BUT BUT, she apologized. Several times, if I'm not mistaken.
She realized it upset some people, and so she said sorry. Why? Because she's a really great person (not everyone can be Miss Minnesota. Sorry.)
There were really only two things that personally upset me, though-- one of them being the lunging at necks, which I saw go both ways. And to quote myself from before, members are the bod of the club. We NEED to be nice and respectful and geniunely like eachother to actually enjoy ourselves.
The leaders are the head. Equally respectful, but bossing around with a purpose. To compare En, Anime, and N to Stalin, Mussolini, and Hitler wouldn't be right. Personalities clash, but that's no excuse for shouting. Relationships are two-way streets, though. It wouldn't be fair to sit and wait for the other person to change how they're acting. Communication, respect, writing.
And, this... this also made me angry. And this is just a broad peeve of mine--
when people appropriate rights to be offended by something. (That means 'tell someone else how they should feel', basically).
I always thought that should someone apologize, it pretty much erases what happened.
But when others go on and say "but it was a joke" "I don't see why others are so offended" "I'm just saying I don't think it's fair to be upset I'm not saying it was okay" "I'm just stating my opinion if you don't like it deal with it"
NO. This isn't even about you. You don't even know what you're talking about, nor does it really matter. The sentiments are sweet, but considering you aren't part of either party, it's not your duty to resolve things. It's just noise.
And I'm not sure how many times I heard this, but: "whether or not anyone here feels these pains..."
when you say that, you're invalidating their feelings, which IS insensitive, because they're really the only ones to have the right to say they're offended in the first place.
If you said any of those thing, and then say you haven't been insenisitve-- spoiler alert: you have been.
That doesn't make you a bad person, and it doesn't mean sheeple hate you.
It just means that you have also underminded other's feelings
and for that, you should apologize.
Basically, all I want to say is
2-knowing when it's approriate to say something (which, again, is respect)
3- I guess I'm neutral about the break? I think it's sad this got out of hand. If it helps everyone chill out, then sweet.
4- We desperately need to get to know eachother instead of expecting others to just deal with our personality flaws.
ps, public apolgy to TDE that I damaged your feels.
But I stand behind what I said.
Not the way I said it, but the words itself.
I KNOW WE ARE ON BREAK, IT SLIIPED MY MIND
I didn't mean to rebel or anything! Sorry!
Like the title says, let's take the break now! We need to cool down, become level-headed, and discuss when our conversations will start in theOtaku chatroom in comment boxes. We aren't to get any posts after this, and if you want to tell us your opinion, please tell us through PM or through comment! ^^
See you guys in a week!
Despite our attempts to quickly and successfully fix the drama and problems that have suddenly come out in the open...
We've had a few people officially ask to withdraw from PGR. So I guess it's time to make an official post about that.
Our friends Clueless, Liveeverysecond, ChiPolVee, and DangerousTinkerer have respectfully asked to be taken off the member board. For various reasons, and I respect them.
I will miss you three!
Now, that means that we have Patrick, Zane, Maria, and Ross to write off. Dani never got a first post in, so she doesn't count in this. So if anyone had any ideas to write them off, you could do that in the future posts! Maybe someone gets killed during the war, maybe someone runs off, maybe someone sticks out through the war but then at the end, returns to their family.
BUT!!!! Be sure to ask the respecting owner for his/her permission! I'm not sure anyone would be okay with their character getting killed without their permission. :b
Since we're being real, here, I'm gonna go public with what I have to say regarding this "outbreak".
IN ADVANCE-I'm having a really bad day (I'm on Spring Break and I'm having a bad day...That means a lot) so if I accidentally hurt anybody's feelings or show some sort of aggression towards anyone, that is NOT what I'm trying to do at all.
I'm just here to say what I have to say.
Back to reality for a moment.
PGR...I don't even know how to describe it. I've only been a member for maybe a month or two now. It's still taking me a minute to adjust and al. I think the story (plot) change is EPIC and the characters are very creative.
But with this whole feud thing...It's really complicating the feeling I get by being in a big RP like this.
Honestly, the only thing I do on this website is comment, bitch and whine about my problems, and attempt to write my stories that eventually get screwed over by this wretched laptop of mine!!
Nevertheless, I come here to escape the bitterness of reality. Now its starting to feel like home here.
And since we're all taking off the gloves/shades (figuratively, not in a violent sense) about ourselves, I'm gonna tell y'all something.
When I said that "it feels like home"...I'm not joking.
I experience A LOT of negative comments from people in my family. There's a lot of drama almost every week, things in the past have happened that I am not proud of...And I'm almost 15! It's just too much.
One person is constantly telling me how I'm pathetic, how I have no friends, and how I need to get out more...I stay up in my room and get on this laptop to forget about stuff like that.
That's why I'm not keeping my mouth shut. I've ALWAYS kept my mouth shut about things that involve my actual life, which sucks alot; so there's no way that I'd just sit idly by and watch something else like this happen in front of me. It's almost as if this whole World is crumbling before me and I can't stand it!
But back to this topic.
The only think that I can stand up behind with absolute certainty is that I've seen the joke that N posted. At first, I half-believed it...When I heard the subjects behind it, I was like "Wow, that sucks. I hope y'all get the help you need."
A day later I find out its a joke...I look back and go...Oooh, that's messed up.
Personally, I have made jokes like that, some even worse than that, I won't lie! But since I know that it wasn't meant to target anyone with experience behind these issues, I let it go...Water under the bridge. *Snaps* Just like that.
I don't know if anyone in this "club" (I don't know what to call it, 'club' just doesn't sound right to me) has had experience with issues such as those...I personally haven't, but that doesn't mean that I'll just joke around like its no big deal. It is! But we've established that with N and she said she was sorry. What more do ya want?
I already know of a person who said that they are leaving...And I don't want that to happen.
It's a really unnecessary casualty. All over a joke!? I'm not saying that anyone is right or wrong, I'm just stating what I agree and disagree with.
If you want to leave and there's no way to convince you. Hey, it is what it is. I might not like it, but I'll respect your decision. However, bullying, which I have ALOT of experience with...I don't see it here. I'm not saying that it doesn't exist, because then I'd be playing devils advocate. If it is bullying, which I HAVE NOT PERSONALLY SEEN, I'm sure we can fix this in a rational fashion without further casualty.
Dictatorship? I don't see much of either. I don't have a problem with HAVING to read all of every post, no matter how long it is or if it has nothing to do with you. I think its the same thing as supporting teammates on a baseball team or something like that. At least that's how I see it.
Frankly, there are some posts that I haven't fully read, but I eventually read all of them.
Nobody is saying that you had to read every single word in one sitting, 'cuz I just read a couple paragraphs at a time until I read it all.
I don't know how that'll work for y'all...Take a notepad and write it out or just read it and memorize it.
I don't know if anyone has a problem with it, I just hear it come up a lot.
Revolution against leaders?
I'm not in the loop about it. I don't think that there should be any immediate removal from Leaderboard. But then again, I've only been here for a month, tops.
That's a really bold move, but I don't think it calls for all of the tension. I think people just need to express their opinion without fear of being kicked off or being hated for it. I just have an intuition that that could be the case.
Still, I'm not taking sides, I'm just saying.
Also; I know that a lot of people were really "off-put" by N's joke, and I get that...But seriously, we've all made mistakes, she's apologized, so what else do you want done? Do you want her to take off the post? Say sorry individually? What?!
If you want to leave BECAUSE of the joke, or anything else regarding N or any other leaders...Hey, that's your decision, but I think that's a really messed up thing to do.
We all have to deal with peoples' quirks. Both in real life and on here, and if you can't handle it...I don't have a problem with you leaving. But I don't think that people should abandon PGR over a joke.
People say that its a bigger concept than the joke and its been brewing before I got here...I don't really care about what happened before!
This may sound selfish, but I really feel hurt since this world could almost be shut down right after I got here due to something that I have not been involved with...It really does suck.
On another note...I honestly thought (I'm not being dramatic here) that this happened because I signed up. For some reason I've always been followed by this Dark Cloud of bad luck that just screws up a lot of stuff. It doesn't normally affect me, directly, but it gets other people involved.
That's just something that I've almost never been able to escape, its always been like that with me.
I AM NOT trying to use sorrow and pity to get my way and convince people to go my way, I'm just stating the truth.
I'm just sharing the truth about me and my personal life.
I think that's all I really need to say.
Also, I agree with Eneko and N about the whole 'break' thing, but since we're all posting these speeches and whatnot, it kinda defeats the purpose.
Nevertheless, I agree that we all need to just chill out and put our arms down before more casualties are caused.
For those who can't let the joke slide...I get what you're saying, but I REALLY want to just get this whole thing behind us.
I don't think anyone is mad about the JOKE specifically (to the point of leaving or getting pissed off), but just other qualities about a person they don't like. I think that is worse since nobody has spoken up about it.
We're all mature here, we don't have to threaten each-other with leaving the RP over something that can be settled really easy.
A lot of tensions here are rising, and that is something that I really can't handle right now.
I hope my words touched you all, I just had to get that off of my mind before stuff got worse.
Any disagreements, arguments, comments, positive or negative, feel free to lay 'em out right here.
Speak now or forever hold your peace.
I've learned something about big problems such as this:
The truth will set you free, and bottling it up will slowly devour you from the inside-out.
I don't judge, and I don't have any Leader position:
Like *almost* always, I'm just a bystander.
Little old Dani here!!
Ugh. I've been talking to so many of you, both privately and openly, and I really liked listening to everyone's opinions on this whole thing. I wish this wasn't happening. It breaks my heart to see PGR in this state. I want to fix this ASAP.
My idea was to just create a post asking everyone to tell me exactly what they wanted to be done in PGR, both in the way it's run, and in the leadership positions. I've had mixed responses to that. Some have told me that it is just kissing butts of people who also did wrong, and I've been told to go through with it because...
WE DON'T INTEND PGR TO BE A DICTATORSHIP.
Many of y'all have told me that you feel like it is. And I agree. We three leaders don't converse with you members on important decisions enough. Nae and Nell created this role play group in May of 2009 TO BE FUN. And lately, it's not seemed like fun. It almost feels like a chore sometimes, as if you are being forced to post something. It was WAY more fun in the old days when people would post when they wanted.
That's not to say I don't think there should be a posting rule. Oh no. We should have that. But I'm getting off-topic here.
Okay, this is what I've been wondering.... OBVIOUSLY a good number of you have problems with the current leadership.
Why didn't anyone speak up about it before??
I don't think Afton ever realized she was being a bully, as some of you have called her actions. If it was such a problem, why didn't you speak up sooner? We could have fixed this mess EARLIER, and have been done with it. Instead, now every problem anyone has had with PGR has built up like carbonation inside a can, and these three days, it finally burst. And it's ugly.
I am fully aware that some of the people who had these opinions decided to go the sweet way and be quiet about it, instead of making drama and complaining. And I respect that. I like how you didn't make drama. In a way. But now, we gotta get everything out on the table so that WE CAN FIX IT and get PGR back to the good old days where everybody was happy and friends.
So, what the leaders and I decided, was to open a Community Chat group here on TheOtaku, and we will all convene there AS A GROUP on a certain day and time (that is decided when we see what time will work best for everybody). At that time, everybody has GOT to just come out and say anything that has been bothering them. We need to hear each little problem so that we can fix it as a group.
"But I already commented and voiced my opinion. You KNOW what I want."
1) we'd like it to be all in one place
2) maybe everyone didn't see it
3) if you really want it to get fixed, you will repeat it because it's important to you, right?
This goes for the couple of people I know who have been kinda quiet this whole time. You know who you are. You've told me your opinions privately, but I would LOVE if you would speak up at this meeting!! If you don't tell us your problem, WE CAN'T FIX IT!!! (: So it's in your best interest to get everything out now!
This would be the best time to get any problems you have with PGR, out in the open. We're asking for your problems. Don't be hesitant because "I don't want to sound rude or offend anybody".
This is supposed to be a very successful group healing session. XD Hopefully we can all work at a problem together. Leaders WITH members. We leaders should not be as high and detached as we currently are. I personally think that we should lower ourselves down more to the level of the members. The intended purpose of the leaderboard was so that members could look to them for guidance, help, and structure. Now it's changed, and for worse.
Um... I'm really ranting, aren't I? XD I can't help it. Silly me.
SO!!!! Everybody needs to comment below to tell me what time is best for them!! We've already made the chat room, we're just hanging out in it.
The name is PGR and
The password is (no caps) pokemon
So tell me when would the best time for you be, to have a group discussion about changes we need to make for PGR!!!
<3 Eneko, the sweetest leader
And you all love me the most
Also!! one more note that I forgot to mention!!
Please, nobody leave PGR just yet. At least try to see if things can get fixed first. Before you up and leave. ):